A greener apple

[ferum]

Clickie (http://members.greenpeace.org/sites/greenmyapple/index.php)
Figured this was pretty relevant, considering this is a mac developer forum. Agree or disagree, its interesting.

[Zwilnik]

While you're at it, remember to send an email to Greenpeace to tell them to stop backing the commercialisation of eating whale meat.

http://www.seashepherd.org/editorials/editorial_061220_1.html

Greenpeace are a commercial organisation focused on raising money to fund their fundraising activities. They're don't actually do anything to actually 'green' the planet any more other than looking for high profile targets to blackmail with the threat of bad publicity.

[Joseph Duchesne]

I might have written a letter if it was any site other than greenpeace.
<rant>
Alas, I am sick and tired of them protesting the seal hunts up here in canada. I don't want to get into it too much, but they're taking advantage of the seal's cuteness to generate money. Compare this to the (uglier) cow. Millions of cows are killed each year. Now, could we survive without beef? Sure. I'd be grumpy as hell, but I wouldn't be dying. How about leaving the seals alone and letting them destroy the cod fishery and halting fur trade which feed and earn substantial portions of income for some remote areas of this country. </rant>

[PowerMacX]

I have nothing against Greenpeace, but this bits from the site bother me:
http://members.greenpeace.org/sites/greenmyapple/about.php
Product life span
We get angry when our iPod breaks just after the one-year warranty expires. We get annoyed when Apple says it's cheaper to buy a new one than fix the old one. We hate it when we are reduced to selling our old PowerBook keyboard on eBay for five bucks. These are common consumer woes resulting from Apple designing products with short life spans. If Apple had to take back its old products, you can bet it would start designing longer lasting products that are easier to reuse and recycle.

My perfectly working and still in use Power Mac G4 circa 2001 doesn't seem to follow this "short life span" they are talking about. Its current US$ 600 resale value (here in Arg.) doesn't seem to follow the premise of that paragraph either:
http://www.maximsoft.com.ar/usados.lasso
Nor does this story about a Cube circa 2000:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17583/The-Cube-Out-of-the-Mountain-Too-Early

And this is just stupid:
See the difference
Imagine if the next iPod launch was an upgrade to the iPod you already have, with a new component you could just swap out, instead of replacing the entire thing? That would save you money, extend the lifespan of your iPod, and save the resources and energy required to make a new iPod.

[nich]

i still have my mac classic in full working order.

i'm somewhat in agreeance with you guys about greenpeace. their actions are odd, to say the least. but on the other hand, i am very glad that people like this exist. if noone says anything, all the idiots don't even know there's a problem.

[Zwilnik]

The problem is, Greenpeace are busy distracting people from the actual problems nowadays. Actual environmental groups, such as Sea Shepherd, WWF etc. are actually spending the money they raise on solving the problems.

[AlStaffieri]

My perfectly working and still in use Power Mac G4 circa 2001 doesn't seem to follow this "short life span" they are talking about.

I agree. I use an iMac 500mhz G3 that I bought new in 2001. I've never had a problem with it. It's running OS X 10.3.9 and it's the only Mac I've used regularly for the last few years.

My previous Mac was a Performa 6320 that I got in 1997. I gave that to my brother a few years ago. He used it until about a year ago when he got a new computer. The Performa was still working when he gave it back to me (haven't turned it on since), so that ran for at least 9 years without ever having to be serviced.

[leRiCl]

I've got a 7 year old iMac G3 400mhz (1999) doing nothing in the house... Well, its safari is used for sitting room conversations. eg. Let's look up that bottle of wine....
Also got a IBM 500mhz laptop (1999) still running daily in the living room as a Skype phone call receiver.

I was still playing old school games (i.e lords of the realms) on my aunt's 30mhz grayscale ibm laptop (with a 160mb harddisk and 4mb ram and 640x480 resolution) until a couple of years ago. but my aunt wanted it back for internet (with its 14.4 kb/s dialup modem card) Haha.

[JustinFic]

Agreeing on all counts. My 400 MHz B&W G3 is still rocking along just fine, and it's over 8 years old.

I was actually approached by Greenpeace here in New York. Very pushy girl, but I didn't really know about it so I asked her about what they do and what they'd want from me. It was practically all that feel-good BS that was mentioned in the article Zwilnik posted, and all the while she's shoving a credit card form in my face.

What's worse, is that she had no interest whatsoever in my offer to volunteer my time, but not my credit card. Even signing up for more information REQUIRED that I sign up for a monthly "donation" schedule. And my refusal to pay up only brought about insinuations that I'm one of the many people that "say they want to make a change but aren't willing to take action."

Screw that. Just for that, in my next game the world gets paved, and I'm dedicating it to them.

[StealthyCoin]

Agreeing on all counts. My 400 MHz B&W G3 is still rocking along just fine, and it's over 8 years old.

I was actually approached by Greenpeace here in New York. Very pushy girl, but I didn't really know about it so I asked her about what they do and what they'd want from me. It was practically all that feel-good BS that was mentioned in the article Zwilnik posted, and all the while she's shoving a credit card form in my face.

What's worse, is that she had no interest whatsoever in my offer to volunteer my time, but not my credit card. Even signing up for more information REQUIRED that I sign up for a monthly "donation" schedule. And my refusal to pay up only brought about insinuations that I'm one of the many people that "say they want to make a change but aren't willing to take action."

Screw that. Just for that, in my next game the world gets paved, and I'm dedicating it to them.

Yes I love those people. And as for the shortilved crap, my family hand-me-downs macs starting with me, and we still have the first one we bought, which works fine.

[Zwilnik]

We call them "Chuggers" Charity Muggers. They're quite well paid agencies that some charities use for major fundraising. They don't actually have anything to do with those charities themselves, other than both they and the charity profit.

[akb825]

It appears whales aren't the only thing they're using questionable tactics on. In fact, we're talking about the latest. (http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=00300061ZXNI)

[Nevada]

Why don't they focus on more important issues, like banning the widespread use of dihydrogen monoxide (a chemical that has been proven to be fatal if inhaled) in the manufacturing process. Almost every company is guilty of that, so they should have a field day... ;)

[Skorche]

Why don't they focus on more important issues, like banning the widespread use of dihydrogen monoxide (a chemical that has been proven to be fatal if inhaled) in the manufacturing process. Almost every company is guilty of that, so they should have a field day... ;)

It would probably be better if you wrote and told your local senator. :rolleyes:

[PowerMacX]

Why don't they focus on more important issues, like banning the widespread use of dihydrogen monoxide (a chemical that has been proven to be fatal if inhaled) in the manufacturing process. Almost every company is guilty of that, so they should have a field day... ;)

Actually, making people aware about some basic facts about it wouldn't hurt... :sneaky:
http://news.com.com/2061-10797_3-6150870.html

[wyrmmage]

I just love this quote:

Chances are, if you've got a Mac you've got some creative talent. Talent you want to use for good, not evil. Use your Mac to make Macs better.

:lol:
One of my friends actually works for these people; I keep asking her what they actually DO to make the ennvironment better; the answer is always 'we raise awareness'... too bad they try to bring down major companies while doing so :(
-wyrmmage

[PowerMacX]

From http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/ released today:

In one environmental group’s recent scorecard, Dell, HP and Lenovo all scored higher than Apple because of their plans (or “plans for releasing plans” in the case of HP). In reality, Apple is ahead of all of these companies in eliminating toxic chemicals from its products.