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Dante016 · **Starting Iphone game and app development -** 2009.02.03, 06:05 PM

Hello everyone. I am Dante016 aka Dante16. I am somewhat famous on youtube at www.youtube.com/Dante16 I am very skilled in the field of design as far as 2d and 3d. I am a 3d designer,animator,2d graphic designer, 2d animator, film and editing, etc. The list is quite long. On to the point. I am here to learn more about developing games for the Iphone and Itouch. I am aware that one must know objective-C and possibly some cocoa. I have already studied the video tutorials at the IdevCenter where the Iphone SDK is downloadable and completed a tutorial for Itennis. Problem is Itennis tutorial is incomplete. Anyhow I have two ideas for two games and apps for the Iphone I am wanting to develope. I have already designed my first game in photoshop cs3 extended. Everything from game pieces, to menus, and so forth is already complete. I have also made all sound fx for it as well. I only need to program it. As to where to start to get a good grip for learning programming on objective-C and Cocoa I do not know. This is where I need help. Should I get books on those, more tutorials, and have I missed anything in the learning,programming, and building process so far. Any feedback is appreciated.

demonpants · 2009.02.03, 08:26 PM

Do you know any programming at all? If you don't, I suggest you find some sort of very in-depth tutorial and/or buy a book. If you have programming experience, Apple's own Objective-C Primer should be fine, as well as checking out their example code. They also have a Hello World tutorial that is very useful.

OptimisticMonkey · 2009.02.03, 10:15 PM

As far as learning cocoa, the hillegass book is good for learning cocoa: http://www.amazon.com/Cocoa-Programm...3717051&sr=8-1

A good background in OpenGL is also important:
http://www.amazon.com/OpenGL-Program...3717105&sr=1-1

As far as making a game, IMHO programming is significantly larger and more complex than the graphics and design portion. Don't get me wrong, graphics and game design are critical - more important - and require significant talent - but that talent is typically innate. Programming is more of a learned art - and learning it takes a lot of time. Good game programming is vastly under-appreciated in terms of it's complexity.

Good luck

igame3d · 2009.02.04, 04:09 AM

And now that you've been told you that portion, I will step in a suggest Unity, its designed to allow
artists to get their game on without all the extra Obj-C, Xcode hoot-in-nanny cocker-stinking.

You should get the hang of it pretty quick judging by your 'resume'.

jeonghyunhan · 2009.02.05, 01:03 PM

If you want to learn ObjC, purchase "Programming in objective c" by Stephen Kochan. I bought it and the book is AMAZING.

While i'm talking about the book, it talks about base 8 (octal notation). What is that

im so confused about it...

**ThemsAllTook** · 2009.02.05, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeonghyunhan

While i'm talking about the book, it talks about base 8 (octal notation). What is that

im so confused about it...

It's simply a different way to represent a number. The base of a number specifies how many unique values of a digit there are before the next digit rolls over. The most common ones you'll see in the computing world:

Binary, a base 2 counting system, has two unique digit values: 0, 1
Octal, a base 8 counting system, has eight unique digit values: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Decimal, a base 10 counting system, has ten unique digit values: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Hexadecimal, a base 16 counting system, has sixteen unique digit values: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, F

Example: All of these are the same number, written in different bases:

Binary 11011
Octal 33 (written as 033 in C)
Decimal 27
Hexadecimal 1B (written as 0x1B in C)

Dante016 · 2009.02.05, 08:55 PM

I appreciate everyones feedback on this. I have already got a book on Objective-C programming and I am 1/3 of the way through it already. So far it seems to be very easy for a programming language.

**ricardoquesada** · 2009.02.06, 04:03 PM

Using engines might also help you:

3d engines:
* oolong - free - c++ : http://oolongengine.com/
* SIO2 - free - LUA: http://www.sio2interactive.com/HOME/HOME.html
* torque 3d - commercial - torque script: http://www.garagegames.com/products/tge/iphone
* Unity3d - commercial - C# : http://unity3d.com/

2d engines:
* cocos2d - free - objective c: http://code.google.com/p/cocos2d-iphone/
* torque 2d - commercial - torque script: http://www.garagegames.com/products/torque-2d/iphone

Dante016 · 2009.02.09, 07:32 PM

The torqe 2d and unity 3d engines look extremely useful and time saving. I will try these out and possibly purchase one of the two. Once I fully test and make a game with one of them (if I use them for the game) then I will report back here and start a stick thread to help new iphone developers out.

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Dante016 Member Posts: 3 Join Date: 2009.02 Location: Spira	Starting Iphone game and app development - 2009.02.03, 06:05 PM Hello everyone. I am Dante016 aka Dante16. I am somewhat famous on youtube at www.youtube.com/Dante16 I am very skilled in the field of design as far as 2d and 3d. I am a 3d designer,animator,2d graphic designer, 2d animator, film and editing, etc. The list is quite long. On to the point. I am here to learn more about developing games for the Iphone and Itouch. I am aware that one must know objective-C and possibly some cocoa. I have already studied the video tutorials at the IdevCenter where the Iphone SDK is downloadable and completed a tutorial for Itennis. Problem is Itennis tutorial is incomplete. Anyhow I have two ideas for two games and apps for the Iphone I am wanting to develope. I have already designed my first game in photoshop cs3 extended. Everything from game pieces, to menus, and so forth is already complete. I have also made all sound fx for it as well. I only need to program it. As to where to start to get a good grip for learning programming on objective-C and Cocoa I do not know. This is where I need help. Should I get books on those, more tutorials, and have I missed anything in the learning,programming, and building process so far. Any feedback is appreciated.

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demonpants Member Posts: 59 Join Date: 2009.01 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA	2009.02.03, 08:26 PM Do you know any programming at all? If you don't, I suggest you find some sort of very in-depth tutorial and/or buy a book. If you have programming experience, Apple's own Objective-C Primer should be fine, as well as checking out their example code. They also have a Hello World tutorial that is very useful.

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OptimisticMonkey Member Posts: 67 Join Date: 2008.04 Location: Scottsdale, USA	2009.02.03, 10:15 PM As far as learning cocoa, the hillegass book is good for learning cocoa: http://www.amazon.com/Cocoa-Programm...3717051&sr=8-1 A good background in OpenGL is also important: http://www.amazon.com/OpenGL-Program...3717105&sr=1-1 As far as making a game, IMHO programming is significantly larger and more complex than the graphics and design portion. Don't get me wrong, graphics and game design are critical - more important - and require significant talent - but that talent is typically innate. Programming is more of a learned art - and learning it takes a lot of time. Good game programming is vastly under-appreciated in terms of it's complexity. Good luck

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igame3d Member Posts: 944 Join Date: 2003.04 Location: Hotel Colorado	2009.02.04, 04:09 AM And now that you've been told you that portion, I will step in a suggest Unity, its designed to allow artists to get their game on without all the extra Obj-C, Xcode hoot-in-nanny cocker-stinking. You should get the hang of it pretty quick judging by your 'resume'. iGame3D

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jeonghyunhan Member Posts: 73 Join Date: 2009.01 Location: Marietta	2009.02.05, 01:03 PM If you want to learn ObjC, purchase "Programming in objective c" by Stephen Kochan. I bought it and the book is AMAZING. While i'm talking about the book, it talks about base 8 (octal notation). What is that im so confused about it...

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Dante016 Member Posts: 3 Join Date: 2009.02 Location: Spira	2009.02.05, 08:55 PM I appreciate everyones feedback on this. I have already got a book on Objective-C programming and I am 1/3 of the way through it already. So far it seems to be very easy for a programming language.

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ricardoquesada Über Member Posts: 20 Join Date: 2008.06 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina	2009.02.06, 04:03 PM Using engines might also help you: 3d engines: * oolong - free - c++ : http://oolongengine.com/ * SIO2 - free - LUA: http://www.sio2interactive.com/HOME/HOME.html * torque 3d - commercial - torque script: http://www.garagegames.com/products/tge/iphone * Unity3d - commercial - C# : http://unity3d.com/ 2d engines: * cocos2d - free - objective c: http://code.google.com/p/cocos2d-iphone/ * torque 2d - commercial - torque script: http://www.garagegames.com/products/torque-2d/iphone http://www.sapusmedia.com

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Dante016 Member Posts: 3 Join Date: 2009.02 Location: Spira	2009.02.09, 07:32 PM The torqe 2d and unity 3d engines look extremely useful and time saving. I will try these out and possibly purchase one of the two. Once I fully test and make a game with one of them (if I use them for the game) then I will report back here and start a stick thread to help new iphone developers out.