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> The Designer's Studio forum is actually full of Classifieds. Apparently we haven't noticed this happening.

Want us to go clean it out?

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Not sure about the idea of beefing up the classified section. I'm sure some people will find it nice, but anyone serious about this should have their own separate web presence anyway. Is it really our goal to give them one? Or force them to put up their stuff in a second place? (I used to maintain my game download listings in 4 different places on the web-- what a pain!)

Keep it simple is all I'm saying. Its very common for people to post artwork in the forums, so a standard portfolio layout for that might be nice. Audio folks seem to link to their stuff offsite most of the time, maybe they'd like a simple jukebox player they could put a few tracks into. But I wouldn't go hogwild with it.

Just my two cents.

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REALLY liking the new look and feel of everything. I find myself using the front page a lot more than I used to— I used to just have a bookmark set to new forum posts.

Seconding the request for dev blogs being an official part of the site. They were my favorite parts of uDG 2004 and 2008, and definitely missed them in 2011. They don't have to be for contests, just for ongoing projects of iDG members. I'd use em and read em!

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(Sep 13, 2012 04:45 PM)stevejohnson Wrote:  Want us to go clean it out?

Perhaps moving everything to Classifieds for now? Not terribly important. I'm not sure how many non-classified posts are actually in there. Might get pretty empty. Rasp


(Sep 14, 2012 07:03 PM)MattDiamond Wrote:  Not sure about the idea of beefing up the classified section. I'm sure some people will find it nice, but anyone serious about this should have their own separate web presence anyway. Is it really our goal to give them one? Or force them to put up their stuff in a second place?

"Force" is the wrong word. I think they'll want to. Looking in Classifieds, people already post a lot of things, but it's not easy to look through when you have to search through unorganized forums threads, click on the thread, then maybe have to click through to their website, then click around to find their portfolio. Overall, that makes Classifieds overly difficult to use.

I think Classifieds would get more use if we could reduce the amount of work/navigation needed, and allow the posters to put more info up front. Should be better for the user and better for the poster.

Quote:But I wouldn't go hogwild with it.

Nope. I'm thinking it's not much more than the way the games page works now. Banner image up top, giganto Textile field (with recommended structuring) lets you style your text to say whatever you want, uploading images for a gallery is simple (gets everyone but audio), some distinct fields for contact info and categorizing the ad. With that, an index page with browsing and searching by category and keywords.





Oh, one question I had was, do people get to post more than one Classified post, or do they get one page to put everything they do on it? Let's call it a Services page. If they can post more than one, I'm concerned about people using them as advertisements for products, which isn't what I think we want?

Do we want advertisements? Hmm… 3dfoin for example posts pictures of his new 3d model packs all the time. I don't want to see a new post in the classifieds section for that; I think he should just update his one "I make pretty 3d models" page which is OK with me, but what if a developer wants to post about a new software tool they've released? While I think it's good for us to know about that, it doesn't fit into my prior concept of Classifieds being services-related.







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(Sep 12, 2012 10:57 AM)SethWillits Wrote:  One thing I noticed the other day… The Designer's Studio forum is actually full of Classifieds. Apparently we haven't noticed this happening.

I've noticed that for a long time, but I honestly never really understood the point of the designer's studio forum, and since no one ever moved the posts I figured it was okay to leave them there too Rasp

So, as for the classifieds, I agree that it'd be good to do something different with that. I haven't put much thought into it, but it certainly seems to get a good bit of action and I have seen several posts there that have interested me. Maybe at least some sub-categories or something.

Another topic I'd like to bring (back) up is the announcements and work in progress forums. I, as well as other mods I am sure, have had to move several posts from other parts of the forum where people have done the old one-post-to-announce-then-gone routine. Some of them I simply delete. Some I have banned for spamming. Others seem to be nicely worded and the poster acts like they just didn't know any better, so I let them slide and move them into the announcements. I got a chuckle after I moved one guy's post into the announcements and some folks here apparently liked it and responded, but he was disallowed to reply. Yet others seem to walk the fine line of using the WIP forum for their announcements by "pre" announcing as a WIP. These people who are new members coming in for announcements are still annoying as all heck, but at least it isn't as bad as it used to be.

Regardless of the annoyance, I am wondering, should we create a non-active-member announcement forum where we can move all the drive-by announcements? Let the riff-raff in, so to speak, but segregated. Then still have a "member announcements" forum which has a little more exclusivity to it?
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I'm not sure what to do about the announcements problem.



A large majority of announcements are about new iOS games, and many are one post hit-and-runs under the guise of "give me feedback." I'm not a fan of these and delete a number of them when it's obvious they're just spamming to every forum they can find. I let them through if the game looks really good or if they appear to be genuine in looking for feedback about specific things.

Since site members are able to add games to their accounts, and new games would appear on the front page (and perhaps in the right sidebar replacing the uDG 2011 section), I am wondering if Announcements should allow any threads about new games at all.

There's a big jumble of thoughts in my head. Among them are:

  1. I would hope that these one-posters would find the site and see the ability to list games on the site and would use that rather than post in wrong places on the forums.
  2. When a real active member creates a new game, it's kinda nice to see that and cheer them on, versus a random poster which we generally ignore, so a forum thread is more warranted.
  3. Does having the games section include all of these games from "one-posters" make it useless for the rest of us?
  4. I think having any riff-raff announcements in the forum at all is still a nuisance because it mucks up my View New Posts list.
  5. Random though: no game announcements, adding a game to your account requires attaching a postmortem or something? Or perhaps it is a member property requiring moderator approval for a member's games to listable on certain parts of the site? Hmm…



I'm still not sure, but what if:


  1. Posts about released games should be in Announcements. Posters are required to have at least 10 posts. (Currently it is 5, which some people try to reach by digging up old threads.) No thread should be allowed if the poster does not have 10 posts. Right now there are some which were moved into Announcements because they were posted elsewhere.
  2. Games posted in WIP must not have already been released, but can be posted by nibbies.
  3. Posts about released games anywhere else should be deleted.


I can also hide Announcements from anyone with less than 10 posts. If they don't see it, then they won't think they can do a hit and run here? That's really the only way to make it more segregated.

I think no matter what we do, we'll end up having to delete things still.
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I moved the Classifieds posts out of Designer's Studio, and Classifieds now has subforums for Audio, Graphics, Developers, and Job Openings. Classifieds itself is now just a category, so you can't post into it. You must post into one of the subforums. I only went back through the last year and moved posts into the right subcategory. The rest are in a hidden forum (mods only). I would think these old posts are useless and should be deleted.
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The Classifieds sub-categories look great. I think letting the old ones go is fine.

You bring up a lot of good points about the announcements issue. It appears difficult to solve without some sort of compromise, and you're probably right that we'll still wind up having to delete things.

I really like the announcements forum for active members because it is nice to cheer them on, like you said. There have been some good discussions that have developed there from time to time.

I hear you on the "view new posts" getting polluted with riff-raff announcements. That did suck back when things were getting out of hand. We got no community involvement from those folks. Perhaps we should just keep things the way they are and delete unwanted announcements outright? The only thing I can imagine those posts helping is possibly search engine ranking, and I'm not sure that's worth it.

Increasing the minimum to 10 posts sounds like a good idea.

The hiding of announcements with anyone less than 10 posts sounds like an interesting possible solution. Do you mean that they would see their own post and think it went through, but regular members wouldn't? If so, that sounds like it might work. We'd still have to go through and delete the old "hidden" announcements from time to time, like after one month.
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(Sep 16, 2012 02:43 PM)AnotherJake Wrote:  The hiding of announcements with anyone less than 10 posts sounds like an interesting possible solution. Do you mean that they would see their own post and think it went through, but regular members wouldn't? If so, that sounds like it might work. We'd still have to go through and delete the old "hidden" announcements from time to time, like after one month.

No, it'd be like the staff forum — only staff members it — but in this case, it's anyone with more than 10 posts. So new peeps wouldn't see Announcements at all.
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(Sep 16, 2012 05:03 PM)SethWillits Wrote:  No, it'd be like the staff forum — only staff members it — but in this case, it's anyone with more than 10 posts. So new peeps wouldn't see Announcements at all.

That sounds like an even better idea. Actually, I really like it a lot. In that case, leaving the requirement at five posts should work fine for that.
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For those who haven't noticed, the front page and Articles section now have articles from other sites in them. The site itself is monitoring almost two dozen game development news/blog sites, looking for the latest articles. Once a day the site tells me about new posts in the feeds, and then I can go in and bulk categorize and approve the interesting ones.

I'd like to have these articles (along with the ones from iDG of course) available in an RSS feed which can then be subscribed to.

The more feeds the merrier.

http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
http://openglbook.com/feed/
http://www.gamedev.net/rss/ccs/1-articles/
http://feeds.aigamedev.com/AiGameDev
http://gafferongames.com/feed/
http://www.lostgarden.com/feeds/posts/default
http://www.altdevblogaday.com/feed/
http://chipmunk-physics.net/updates.rss
http://feeds2.feedburner.com/148appsbiz
http://www.cocos2d-iphone.org/feed
http://www.alexcurylo.com/feed/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/GamasutraNews
http://box2d.org/feed/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/RayWenderlich
http://devmag.org.za/feed/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/PixelProspector
http://www.indiegamemag.com/home/feed/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/GamasutraFeatureArticles
http://howlingmoonsoftware.com/wordpress/?feed=rss2
http://www.tigsource.com/feed/
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Ok, based on the nice articles I just found out thanks to the front page, and to help a bit with resolution #7 from this thread, I just updated my "Get new idevgames posts" bookmark with this:
Code:
javascript:Math.floor(Math.random()*10)?window.location.href='http://www.idevgames.com/forums/search.php?action=getnew':window.location.href='http://www.idevgames.com/';

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Really minor thought that I meant to post months ago: the "Contact Details" section of a user's "Profile" page seems... outdated, or at least incomplete these days; fields for Skype, Twitter, Facebook, etc. would be nice, and it would also be nice to show only those fields that have content Wink

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In the forums? Yeah, this one has archaic info. It's not possible to tweak as one would like, but I made some changes.
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A really minor bug report/thought, but I think it would be better if the username in the Twitter field were a link? Please don't hurt me... Rasp

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