Mac is SOO frustrating to program for

HelloKitty
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the text editors are bad. The way apple changes the cut, and paste keys per application, every year is nauseating. the home, and end keys do not act like windows. I dont believe for a minute that any serious mac programming is done using the project builder text editor.

Apple says, ok, now everyone program in cocoa, and go the way of OSX, but all their sample code is using carbon. I asked the apple guy why all sample code was in carbon, the response was because i know that, and not cocoa. Your fired!

I port my entire application to project builder, and now that is no longer supported. Joy.

And now I hear that the HID manager has bugs when reading the keyboard.

last, but not least, if your mac crashes, and you have to pull the plug, it trashes the file system, and you have to reinstall the os.

Windows has never looked so good.
Mad
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you don't know how to work apple-C for copy, apple-X for cut, and apple-V for paste? what the hell man. Are you brain dead, or are you just a troll?

and um... I only clean install my OS once every 2 years.
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Post: #3
Quote:the text editors are gay


Since when did text editors ever have any kind of sexuality? Are you sure it is a text editor you are using? Maybe that is why you are having so many problems ;-)

Quote:Windows has never looked so good.
After returning to Windows development this week for the first time in over two months, I cannot wait until the weekend when I can return to Cocoa development.

Quote:last, but not least, if your mac crashes, and you have to pull the plug, it trashes the file system, and you have to reinstall the os.
I wonder if you would think Windows still looked so good if you had had your file system corrupted after having to hard reset a locked up Windows computer. Speaking from experience, it is not fun at all. :-(
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Post: #4
PB is still supported, it's just called "Xcode" these days.

Troll.
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Command/Apple-C, V, X, and Z are very much standard in ALL Mac applications.

I don't know about this home and end key thing. I never used them on neither Mac or PC.

PB may not be supported anymore, but XCode supports PB.

Quote:last, but not least, if your mac crashes, and you have to pull the plug, it trashes the file system, and you have to reinstall the os.


Explain. I never heard of this one.

If you're comfortable about developing on a PC machine, I say just stay on the PC and compile your programs to the Mac if you want to test anything.
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I got a brick here. You can use it to crack your skull open, if you want.
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Quote:last, but not least, if your mac crashes, and you have to pull the plug, it trashes the file system, and you have to reinstall the os.


No, you write fsck -y and it's fixed. If you leave a Winbox on for too long, you'll have to reinstall, though. That's why you never see Winboxes with uptimes above a month.
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Well, you lost just about all of my respect by calling a text editor gay. Plus, you are now in respect debt with me for complaining about Apple Support. How much support do microsoft have for its games programmers? Apple constantly updates and supports their free programming environment. And you say windows looks better than mac? Try making shareware games on a PC, I am sure you will get a lot of good help + feedback there.

And what are you doing to your computer if this is true:

Quote:last, but not least, if your mac crashes, and you have to pull the plug, it trashes the file system, and you have to reinstall the os.


Its true if you download a lot of warez and porn, have no antivirus software, never turn your computer off, just click the "x" to quit a program rather than properly quitting, rename system folders and you are running Panther on your 233 imac with 32 megs of ram than bad things will happen. but, still, probably not even what your described.

Sorry for being harsh, but you were pretty harsh when you struck that nerve o' mine.

P.S. if you can't figure out how to Cut and Paste, then Windows is for you.
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Post: #9
stop feeding the troll please...

- Sohta
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Post: #10
Quote:Originally posted by Sohta
stop feeding the troll please...


I agree, its probably some 12 year old laughing his ass off now because he wasted everyones time and got them mad.
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Isn't this, the time to use the Alert MODs button?
HelloKitty
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Post: #12
1)hitting the end key should first take you to the end of the line, then the end of the page. Apple goes to end of page no matter what. Same goes for the home key. With mac, you cant let go of the mouse for more than a minute. Even if your just typing.

2) it wasnt cut, and paste, sorry, it was undo. on win its ctrl+z. Apple added support for this, but its apple+z. The lame part being that apple does have a control key, so why not follow the standard.

Mac stole a whole bunch of common keystrokes from windows(good), and then changed it to the apple key(bad). Apple is too proud, and the standards are paying the price.


3) not all windows maximize??? They never goes full screen. whats up with that?

4) 1 button mouse. laugh. Also, not having the mouse wheel sets apple back 6 years.

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Quote:Originally posted by HelloKitty
2) it wasnt cut, and paste, sorry, it was undo. on win its ctrl+z. Apple added support for this, but its apple+z. The lame part being that apple does have a control key, so why not follow the standard.


I feel a need to reply to this, windows copied apples command key and renamed it control...

Some mod should close this thread... or warn kitty
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Post: #14
A few questions (socratic method, thank you):

What kind of moron goes to a Mac games development website and posts something like that?

If Mac and PC's were perfectly equal in power and quality, would they both have the exact same functions, key strokes and conventions?

Do GameCube and XBox have the same controller?

If there are only 2 competitors in a market and one of them does things in a different way than the other. Which way is the standard way?

And just one thing that I have to point out: I haven't touched my mouse since I opened safari (which I could have done without a mouse also!)
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Post: #15
HelloKitty,

From an earlier post, you indicated you needed help moving a game from Win32 to the Mac. Sounds like you weren't able to acquire assistance, and now are working out the issues yourself. If I recall, you offered $300. Since this forum is full of starving programmers, I am surprised no one stepped forward. Perhaps your fustrations on the platform stem from the newness of it all? Or having to do the porting job?

The topics of mouse buttons, keyboards, etc. have been beaten to death, and sense I strive to make sure this forum is a positive place, my advice is to either accept the differences or wave that $300 once more and save your time for working on the PC.

Moral: Using a different platform is kind of like moving to a different country -- you can't complain that the food is different and that the people speak another language, just relax and do as the locals do. It may not make sense at first, but at some point, things will click.

Cheers,

Carlos A. Camacho,
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